The Big Interview: How Tech Titans Became Obsessed With Physical Optimization

So many of these guys have now become

obsessed with longevity.

They become obsessed with physical optimization,

or maybe however they see that.

Body hacking or whatever they call it.

I don't know that I would consider Jeff's physique

my ideal physique,

but he is clearly in some sort of...

Well, Lauren seems to like it,

so let's just leave it at that.

Lauren seems to like it just fine and good for her.

But how did you watch that relationship

that some of them had to health and longevity evolve?

Well, you know, you talk about Jeff's body...

You know, we're not supposed to talk about

people's physical looks, but wow, he's different.

He's different.

All I'm saying is he's not my type, but good for her.

I could have thrown him across the room years ago

when I first met him, and maybe I did.

But one of the things that's interesting to me,

it's not just that, it's the investments.

It's the massive investments,

whether it's Larry Ellison,

who's created an entire institute for this,

or Musk has been involved.

And of course, a lot of it was also

around psychedelics and ketamine.

They were the first to make

significant investments in that area.

Sometimes good, sometimes bad.

It's interesting.

And I think it was born out of this idea

is they've always been trying to hack health

in some way, and never were very successful.

They're always trying to get into the healthcare space.

And every now and then, the Google guys would say,

we're gonna make contact lenses

that will then improve your eye, you know, something.

Yeah, yeah, something.

And something with health.

And so it always interested them.

And now that they have time and money,

they're older.

And they suddenly realize their little meat sacks

are gonna not last for that long.

And so how do we get to that spot of, you know,

the Singularity, which was, you know, Ray Kurzweil,

that idea that we're going to merge with the machine.

And then there's a dollop of science fiction

that they all grew up on, alot of them do.

I know Musk certainly was enamored with

certain science fiction around that idea.

Space travel, not just space travel.

Spatial longevity, et cetera.

And so that's sort of what it's part of.

And then there's a whole aspect of it of,

what happens to your brain?

Can you preserve your brain?

And not cryogenics, because I didn't do any of that,

because I think that's such nonsense.

Why waste my time?

But one of the things was, what happens now

that they have AI that can become you,

could you preserve yourself in some other way

and put yourself into another being?